Tomorrow is Not Today

[00:00:00] Uh, at a very young age, going through a lot of adversity, being a female in a highly masculine dominated sport allowed me to grow a lot of thick skin. Me and Jarvis, a pro athlete, ninja warrior, entrepreneur, businesswoman. What did you have to fight internally to push yourself to be that? Well, courage in general, I think is something that we're really looking for more of in society.

It's easy for people to go, I can't because I'm not like that. Well, of course you can do it. That's you, Meg. I've been burned and, you know, crucified. What do you have to really do in the depths of you to be in that place? It involves having like a breakdown to a breakthrough. So how did that breakdown look for you?

Oh, take us there.

Megan Jarvis, welcome to the Tomorrow's Not Today podcast. I'm so excited to have you here. Um, for many [00:01:00] reasons, which we're gonna get into. I don't normally do this, but, 'cause normally I'll just get you to introduce yourself. Yep. But I am wanting to do a couple of intro things. 'cause I reckon there's probably some stuff that you would miss out if I was just to leave it to you.

So touche with the glasses on. Oh, right. So we can actually see this. Megan Jarvis, a pro athlete, ninja warrior, entrepreneur, businesswoman, published fitness writer, author, stunt woman, radio personality, et cetera, et cetera. And professional basketballer as well, and a bunch of other stuff. Um, a, I dunno how you do all that.

All of that to start with. B, can you tell us a little bit more about who you are? Yes, absolutely. And we'll be diving deep today. I've heard so. Oh, yes. We'll, I, I, I'll start with the surface level things of who I am, I guess, and then go from there. But that was a perfect intro. Um, I'll, I'll, I'll take you back to the BMX 'cause [00:02:00] that's where I started being, uh, tomboy with almost as good of hair as you have today, Kingsley.

So what, short and gray? Short. Short, very short. And, um, a bull cut. And that's where my humble beginnings were, was competing against the boys and having to not just compete against them, but win by, you know, five bikes in front. Wow. To get noticed in order to make the Canadian National Team, which I went on to, um, become the Canadian National Champion at five.

And that's really where, uh, my story began, began is, uh, at a very young age going through a lot of adversity, being a female in a highly. Masculine dominated sport and allowed me to grow a lot of thick skin. I also, uh, beyond basketball, loved ice hockey. So I was one of the ice hockey players that growing up at the age of 10, we didn't have a female [00:03:00] change room, so I would get changed in the janitor's closet and just go as hard as I could.

And again, there were, I was the only girl in the league until I got a bit older. There was one other girl playing ice hockey, so, uh, understood that it's okay to lead change even though I wasn't conscious to it. And I think that led to what you just read out later on in life and not having any fear of what other people thought.

And I feel like that's probably the underlying, uh. Key that we're gonna get really deep into today is at a very young age, I learned and mastered the art of not giving a fuck or not caring what other people thought of me and just going for it no matter, uh, what other people were saying. If it felt right to me, if my parents were in full support, I, I went against the grain and really pushed the boundaries and have been continuing to do that ever since and [00:04:00] continue to do that in business today.

You definitely do. You definitely do. Since the time I've known you and watched you, it's just thank you nonstop and you do, do keep pushing the boundaries and going further. It's almost like you are unstoppable, but take me back because what you just said, I think you made some really good points in there.

Um, well, obviously you did. No, that's okay. A couple of the points were. It was those tough times, it seems like at the beginning where you were pushed. Mm-hmm. Male dominated sports and you had to be one of the best. Mm-hmm. Or not just one of the best. You had to go right out there even to be recognized.

Yes. Because you were a girl. Is that part of what built you? Yeah, absolutely. I think that was the, the ingrained DNA that I've been able to carry in my entrepreneurial journey and looking, uh, at, at, at it in a different lens. It really set me up with this courage, [00:05:00] and I mean, a lot of people talk about this.

I, at a recent conference that we were together, I, I brought up Charlie Kirk, and I know it's a very taboo topic, but courage is one of the things that he often spoke of, and. Courage, courage in courageous people. Courage in general I think is something that we're really looking for more of in society. And so looking back, I was able to find courage in myself at a really young age.

And although I've been burned and, you know, crucified and then had to get back up a million times, which we, we will get to go into some awesome parts of the journey and normalize those things today so that people can feel comfortable about failing forward and getting back up and knowing that, um, there's a huge lag, as I like to say, or plateau in the journey to coming, becoming unstoppable or getting to the top.

I think it's really about finding the courage within yourself and if you're [00:06:00] able to find that courage that you had early on because, but when we're younger, we're just, we're playful. There's no expectations, no one's putting pressure on us, and we're also not feeling the expectations of others of what we want to do for others.

As we get older, we start to have this model, as you know, and I, I, you and I have talked about this before, where we start to do things for what other people want us to do or what other people think would be right. And we all often judge ourselves based on that instead of going back into what we truly believe and what we love.

And having that courage to do that at the base level. Love that. So I feel like if we're able, love to go deep into where we started and where that courage was when we were younger, pull that root out. And I always say this like, you can't just do it once. I do have to do it every morning before I come into this podcast.

I've got this. Go, Megan, let's go. You know, be [00:07:00] yourself, be be your true, authentic, um, person throughout the entire chat today, because that's what people really want to hear. Yeah. Brene Brown. It, I know that's probably not an adjective, but I, I, I'm gonna come up with it. I like it. And describe people as that Brene Brown it.

If, if you're not in the Colosseum, don't care what other people think unless they're actually in the arena with you. And, and really go for it. Have the courage to do so. You covered so much there. Okay. So, so much is, so, no, it's fantastic. Uh, there's so many questions and things that, that are coming to mind.

Great. Like, 'cause it, it's interesting you said before you go anywhere, 'cause like you speak on a lot of stages, a lot of podcasts, a lot of things like that. Before you do it, you've gotta get up. You've got this, you've got this. Yes, you can do it, but people who don't see you behind in the green rooms or before you walk on stage or whatever.

All they see is Megan out on stage, who's [00:08:00] got it together, whose motivators is excited and it's all happening. Yeah. And then I relate that then back to, we look at social media. Yeah. And all we see on social media is the highlight reels, the good points and things like that. But people don't notice what actually goes through your mind and your body and your emotions before getting to that point.

Absolutely. So take us through to that point where you've actually got to, 'cause it's easy for people to go, I can't because I'm not like that. Yep. What do you have to really do in the depths of you to be in that place? Yeah, I love that. And uh, I, I think it's so important because I often get, well, of course you can do it.

That's you, Meg, you've done this, this, this, this. And then if you get pedestal right away, people don't believe that they can do it themselves. Mm-hmm. So I really want to lay down the pedestal today, like. Although I work with some great [00:09:00] entertainers, they're just normal people as well. Olympic athletes struggle from having courage and confidence too.

Um, it's important to know that everybody is a human being and we are all going through the things that you're probably feeling today as well. And we use bio, I'm gonna say biohacking, but that's just a fancier word 'cause I'm in the wellness industry that are tools that regulate your nervous system to get you steady and focused so that you stop feeling not completely, but you get your body out of that parasympathetic nervous system where it's fight or flight.

Oh my God, how am I gonna do this? Drop into our sympathetic nervous system, I can do this. I'm back. And it really starts with the, the things that. You already know. We already know. It starts with breath. Breathing is the easiest one. When you get to the stoplight, do a round of box breathing, 4, 4, 4, 4, and relax [00:10:00] by breathing.

And then a really big recipe that people often don't discuss is tell yourself you can. Mm-hmm. I can do this. I mean, Mel Robbins, you know, discussed doing a high five to the mirror. She wrote a book on giving yourself, that's a very simple tool, Mel, but she blew up because of it. Yeah. Because people need to hear, oh, Mel Robbins had to give herself a high five every morning, not just one morning.

Mm-hmm. Every morning. And told herself, you've got the smell. So I love that. I mean, we hugged today, but I often high five you. I'm a big high fiver. My dad was a high fiver. Being a pro athlete, I grew up on high fives. I'm never gonna stop high fiving. If someone says you high five too much, tell them to screw off.

'cause there's no such thing. No one's getting mad about your high fives. It's elevating that person's mood. Yeah, it's adding that connection point and it's important to. [00:11:00] You know, have yourself get in that mood of you've got it. So a high five can do it. But going back to what I do, I do a bit of breath. I do, I am statements.

I am ready, I have got this, I am powerful. And I say those kind of I am statements all the time, even when I'm feeling good, but most importantly, when I'm not feeling very good. Mm-hmm. And when you do what we do and we coach people and we're meant to feel bad because our co our, we're in a coaching world where we want our clients to come to us not feeling perfect.

If they were feeling perfect every day, then why do you need us to coach you on your wellness or on your, on your, um, you know, different areas of business along the way. Whatever areas that you're coaching someone in, they're meant to come to you with your pro, their problems and how they're feeling that day.

And you're meant to hold space. And you're meant to feel that for me, uh, you know, in coming my mom being a psychiatrist, growing up, having eight clients a day and coming [00:12:00] home and just nailing dinner and just never, you know, going into what she felt. I've seen how you can leave things at the door almost just like a, a gate or a bridge where you take a minute in the car, you, you, you know, you've absorbed what you've just gone through in your, in your day, in your, in the office, wherever you work and you give yourself.

Um, and Brene Brown uses a beautiful example, um, of the bridges in France where they have to fill back up for the boats to go through. And she uses that as analogy, like you can't just rush in to see your family. Sometimes just your emotional intelligence and stability needs some time. For you to fill back up again and get ready for Mom, where are my soccer shoes?

Where do you have like dinner ready? What's the, and get ready for that because we need to have that emotional regulation. So I think to normalize it [00:13:00] and come back to your question, uh, before anything I do prime myself and go into, you know, priming, which Tony Robbins, uh, Dr. Joe Depen used, which are priming breaths and saying some I am statements.

And if you can sprinkle a little gratitude on top. 'cause we know that being grateful is gonna really set you up and for, for an amazing day. And I think that's the groundwork of what you're seeing today. You're seeing somebody who, who does it daily and it's that daily practice you really. You could say you put in the work every day.

It's not just you get up and go and do your thing. You obviously put in the work every day and then during the day as well, you're putting in the work behind the scenes. So when you do show up, you are the person you need to be. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. And uh, it's funny you say that. We like no one sees the green room.

I, I did post a video of me before going on a stage in front of 500 people and it showed me priming and [00:14:00] some other, uh, great mentors of mine came back and said, Meg, you're never gonna see me doing those breaths before I take the stage, or You're never gonna, and I had to take that in and go, okay, this, you know, these guys do present.

They are, they're, they're legendary in what they do. And if they don't need that good on them, they're very experienced at controlling their emotions and controlling where they're at in their focus at that time. But I can tell you I need it every time. And I, and I, I think everyone's different Yes. As well.

And they may not need it there, but I'll guarantee there's other areas in life that we do need it. Yes, true. And that's part of the good part of life is we are all different. Yeah. And we all need different things at different times and different places. Yeah. And actually when you say that, one of them was a, uh, amazing surgeon, so I'm guaranteeing before they go into different heart and brain surgeries.

Well, I hope they're getting focused before, so. You're [00:15:00] right. You're right. Yes. You absolutely. Um, I, I want to go back a little bit because Yes. As a dad, even though my kids are grown now, but as a dad, um, you look at and I look at all, I did some good things with my kids. Yep. And I did some really not good things with my kids because you don't know.

Yeah. We always hold that. Yes. And um, yeah. And I definitely made mistakes. You don't know what mistakes you don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I'm very blessed. My kids are phenomenal. Absolutely amazing. And just. Killing it in life, which is fantastic. Well then you've done a lot of things right there. Well, that's good.

Well, they've looked at the bad and gone, geez, not going there. I don't want, I don't want that to happen. Yeah. A bit of both. Yeah, you can. Uh, but when, when your kids are little and 'cause there's sometimes you can put too much pressure Yes. On certain ones. Yeah. And others. It's good for some and not good for other kids.

Oh yeah. I love where this is heading. So I, I want to, from your perspective, and with your mum being a psychologist as well, and you having a lot of pressure as a kid. Yeah. [00:16:00] Can you bring a little bit of what would you say, balance or whatever to, to that whole scenario? Yeah, absolutely. It's such a great question too.

And being somebody who deals in epigenetics and personalized programs, and that's something that I've been bringing to the health and fitness industry for almost over a decade now. So. You know, now that it's a bit more popularized, I can, I can discuss it wholeheartedly, but before when I would discuss blood tests and personalizing, everyone was like, oh no, we'll just go on the same fat loss program, or I'll just do keto.

It's working for everyone. Or Mediterranean diets the, you know, been number one in the world for five years. I'll go on that. But now we understand that what works for one person is not going to work for another. And we know that 100%. And when it comes to kids, uh, an easy one in my journey is to look at my brother actually.

And he is somebody that does not thrive on pressure and is the opposite of me. [00:17:00] So my parents and, um, I think my mom saw that very early on, which is great that you're going to have some that really thrive in pressure situations. And some that need to be given time and space. And that does have a lot to do, and I won't go into too much detail, but into epigenetic profiling.

People that are really tall and have a, a tall figure, uh, you'll often find that they take a little bit more time to make decisions. Uh, and that's just an easy base to start with. Um, they're more of your guardians, your diplomats, very family oriented. Or if you have people that are a bit shorter in size, like you and I that are go-getters, activators, connectors, we're like, yeah, give us the thing.

We're gonna go do it. You you wanna start a podcast? I've got it set up. I've got it ready to go on Monday. Where, where some people would take a lot more time to get to that point, and that's okay. And you need to know who you're speaking to, [00:18:00] when, when, when it comes to your kids and what's working and what's not.

And I think. We can get a good gauge, but we need to remember that you need to understand them on a deeper level. Like a lot of us get a easy gauge and they know to push their kid or they know they shouldn't, but we can get caught up in the moment and just be pushing because we think that we should.

Being somebody who's really passionate about movement as medicine and you know, the ob obesity issue that we have in children right now, I'm a big advocate for, you know, regardless of where your your kid is, we need to be getting them to do some movement. Mm. And that might include getting some pressure there to move more, to get to put the phones down, to get them outside instead of watching tv, like no TV time, just like when we were growing up, go and play basketball or kick the can.

I know it's hot in Australia right now. You know, go to the beach, swim in the pool, get out and do it with them if you can. Um, and if not, and if you are [00:19:00] working force, those things that make it. More difficult to just sit and do nothing for your kids, but don't do the pushing too far that you have to play basketball and hockey and mm-hmm.

And volleyball to the point that they don't love it anymore because sport is meant to be loved. They should want to go. Movement on the other hand, is a necessity. So I like to, uh, I like to really make that clear, like, movement can be sport, dance, anything. It can be walking down the street, but it is something that all of our children need to be doing.

So there is a fine line of pressure and the push and making sure that we're, we're, we're pushing our kids to move more, but we're not pressuring them into a sport that they don't like. And you know, to the point that there was the potential that they could have gone to the Olympics, but we pressured them too much at an early age that they didn't wanna do it when they got older.

Yeah. That's awesome. I love that. 'cause I think. You know, as a [00:20:00] parent you do think about all these sorts of things. Yes. And usually when you've got kids, they're very different personalities. Yeah. And what you do with one is not what you do with the other one. Correct. You send them off the d this one, love it.

And this one you'll push them away. Yeah, absolutely. It's really ing Absolutely. It's interesting how we often get like the yin and yang. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, of kids and they're, they're really quite different, like arts and, and um, and dance and those sort of, and then like sport and, and this side and the creative is not there or you know, it, it does happen.

But we tend to kind of bracket them together at times, unconsciously. And I think it's important to, to, to recognize that not all of us need, need the pressure, but Yeah. From someone like myself, pressure builds diamonds and I love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is cool. Which is why you are who you are today as well at the same time.

Mm-hmm. So now you, you did the BMX. Yes. How did you do that for. Um, until I was 15. So, uh, I Bix [00:21:00] since I like 10 years, was three years old actually since three. Wow. Yeah. I think I might have raised this, uh, with a previous guest of yours, uh, the, the other weekend that I saw a, BA, a, a little boy ride, uh, riding his bike down the street and he had made some dirt tracks in his backyard and I went up to my dad.

So the, I, so the story goes, I remember being on the bike, that's about it, and said, I want these in whichever way. I set it, training wheels off at the age of two, and I was riding a, a bike at three over jumps and Wow. Wow. Uh, still at the age of three, four was like, I need to go to the track now. Like, these jumps aren't big enough.

So I had some sort of. Interesting. Non off switch of extreme sports and the love of, um, pushing myself at a young age, which is obviously an innate thing, which is pretty cool. Yes. [00:22:00] Yeah, it was definitely the nature rather than the nurture on this one, but my parents, um, definitely nurtured it, which is fantastic.

I'm so grateful for them for that. Yeah, that's really cool. So you did that Yes. And then you got into basketball? Yeah. Yes. So how, how did you switch from BMX to basketball? Yeah, the transition was fun. Um, totally different sports. Yeah. And, uh, all, both of them, uh, uh, involve agility, just like, uh, Australian Ninja Warrior did.

So I'm, I'm always looking for things that, um, agility is a big part of, and what I craved and why I believe I, I quit BMX and went to basketball a year before BMX went to the Olympics. So, um, that, that's always a great tale. Uh, but I mean, basketball brought me to Australia, so I'm, I'm so, so grateful for the sport is that I craved camaraderie.

I really wanted, uh, to be a part of a team, and I feel like that's something [00:23:00] that we can miss or we miss out on when we are in a singular sport. That we just compete for ourselves. So going from BMX, my, my choices were all, all sports that I, were team sports, I was going on to either play professional ice hockey, that was another option At university.

I actually made both the ice hockey team and the university basketball team at the same time and had to choose and also loved soccer. So it was all of those kind of sports that you were agile and, and or, um, had to really work as a team. And I wanted to get into something working as a team. And I've found coming out of that, it's helped me immensely because I'm, I now run a team of wellness coaches across the country.

And I, I've learned about myself that I work better at, with, with a big team. You know, some people get very scared of, of managing a [00:24:00] big team, but, you know, bring it on. And, uh, I I'm so happy that I've, I've found, you know, what I love by, by doing so, and it's connecting people and, and really understanding what, what each person needs to do and needs to bring to the team.

Mm-hmm. There's, there's a whole topic just there. Yes. Yeah. So you, you worked out that you wanted to be part of a team. Oh. So what, what were you feeling? Because relating this back to business. Yes. You can be running a business and there's so many successful business people, but they're lonely. Yeah. And they're sad.

Yep. Some of them, uh, they're anxious. Yes. And they don't feel like they've got that comradery because. They can't, who are you gonna talk to? Yeah. Yep. So what were you feeling at that point? Mm. Uh, and what made you, like, what was the big, pivotal thing that made you choose, you know, what I'm going to get with the team?

Mm. My pivotal moment [00:25:00] was at a Tony Robbins conference, uh, called Date With Destiny. Mm-hmm. Which I went on to do all of his conferences afterwards. But even if you're listening and not a Tony Robbins, uh, fan, because a lot of people, it's, it's kind of a love or hate with Tony is it's being with somebody that is at a higher level than you in whichever area business that you want to get into and learning from them.

And it hit me at this conference that. I needed, I needed a coach and I needed a coach to really assist me to go to that next level. And since then, I've had business coaches at every tier, and through those business coaches that a lot of, uh, uh, a lot of, uh, them are mutual friends of ours, I've learned about, um, how we have money ceilings.

So we can get from, uh, you know, from 1 million to 2 million, 2 million to 10 million, [00:26:00] 10 million to 20 million, and then it goes up to 40 million, then it goes up to a hundred million. But each of these are ceilings that we all can hit, and they're actually very common, like eight outta 10 entrepreneurs hit these money ceilings and then need to learn that it is about them, not the rest of the team to break through them and having a coach or having somebody that.

Really is what you mentioned and you know what you do so well. Kingsley is somebody you can bounce things off of to help you see your blind spots and understand how you can take your business to the next level. Um, I mean, community groups like the ones that, uh, were involved with are fantastic as well, where you can go and meet with businesses at 7:00 AM in the morning and help assist everybody and then go and have a coffee afterwards.

But even those, I'll say this, and I, I've, I've said this to anybody that I've mentored or, or coached, is. It's [00:27:00] not about what happens in that morning session or at a work party we're, it's about to be Christmas parties and I'm, I'm sure a lot of people listening are probably already into their Christmas parties or New Year's parties.

It's not about the party itself, it's about what happens afterwards. Be the last person having a coffee, be the last person at the Christmas party because the way that I've gotten ahead has not been at that gathering. It's been after that gathering takes place and exchanging some really valuable information or, or different opportunities in clients in private circles of, of two or three people.

And that's why you were there. It clicks. Yeah, but I find a lot of people go to them and then go, well, this isn't working. Why did I go to this anyways? I did what they said to do on that podcast and it still hasn't worked. It is what you make it, and that's kind of the secret sauce that people need to know.

I think that goes back to what we were saying before. What you were saying before is you're doing the work every [00:28:00] day. You don't just go to these events just for a good time. Yes. Which you, they are mostly. Yeah. Absolutely. Um, but it is, it's then so what, what are you's your intentionality that you're going to get out of that?

What are you gonna follow through? Who are you meeting that you can connect with Yes. And do things with. That's where all the gold is. Absolutely. And you know what's really interesting? You just got me thinking that when I go to these groups and the people that I do connect with and deal with later on, they are the ones who are up here in their thinking, in their operations and things as well.

You just, I, I'd never thought about that until just now. Mm. Thank you. They are those sorts of people Yeah. Who are there because they're doing the same thing. Yep. Um, and they're getting ahead and they're doing things and making a difference as well. 'cause it's that whole intentionality thing. Yes. Yeah, absolutely.

I love that. Any light bulb moments I'll take from Kingsley. Let's go. [00:29:00] So take me now to, 'cause obviously getting to these places, you don't just go, okay, I am A BMX champion now. Yeah. Um, I'm gonna jump over here. I'll be a basketball champion. Yep. It doesn't just happen like that. No, you're right. So what did you have to do internally?

What did you have to fight internally in yourself to push yourself to be that good? Great question. I feel like every time it's peeling off another layer of the onion and it doesn't stop. So even sitting here right now, I was just on a TV show last week called The Seventh Seat that premieres, uh, I think in January and.

Everyone in the room came from such diverse backgrounds and had overcome so many different, uh, like adversity and, and there was just amazing people in the room. But we, throughout our journeys are consistently peeling back these layers and [00:30:00] having to go, uh, on a call to adventure. That's a great way to explain it.

That, uh, I, I hang up the bike or I don't hang it up, but my dad puts it on the, hangs it up in the garage and it's still there, by the way. Oh, wow. And I still use it when I get home. So it, you know, it's something that I still love and, and still go back to because it is my fun. It's my joy. But go transitioning from that to basketball or transitioning from basketball to business.

'cause that's what I went into after basketball. I became a lead lecturer at the Australian Institute of Fitness, straight out of professional sport. Uh, and had some interesting stories of business along the way in between when I was meant to be just playing basketball. That's the other thing that I love Marilyn Monroe and her saying is, if I ab obey all the rules, I wouldn't have gotten anywhere.

So, you know, I've heard of some other stories that you get into on this podcast, so I'll tell you one that I'm not meant to tell. And, uh, if anyone's [00:31:00] working for the Australian government, hold on tight. This is a good one. Uh, I'm, I'm only allowed to play basketball and I'm on a sporting visa. I'm over in wa.

And a friend of mine was teaching at an English school down the street, and I had a master's of education. Never taught English in my life other than with my Aunt Jane in her grade three classroom. So I went down the street, she introduced me. I said, yeah, I, I've taught English before. I've got a great reference.

You can speak to her. And, and, uh, he spoke the, the, the principal there spoke to my Aunt Jane and who has a different last name from me, uh, which is great. So Wayne Wright Jarvis, no relation at all. MU's my middle name, but he didn't know that. And he said, well, look, you know, your references sound great. Why don't you get in front of I, I don't have any ESL background.

Why don't you get in front of the classroom for an hour? Was signed and working for them on the first day. Never taught English as a second language in my life, [00:32:00] but now I'm a fully licensed English as a second language teacher, and I wasn't meant to do any other work at that time. I was only meant to play basketball, but I always like, it was only for two hours a day and it was just practice.

So why would I not want to get a second job and. And make like some money on the side so I could go on a surf road trip or mm-hmm. Or do something interesting. So that's the first thing is I learned, um, you know, even though it's, you're not really meant to, you're still able, if you're able to like, go out and make that extra money, go out and do that extra thing.

Because a lot of the time, and there's a great story, uh, that I've told you about the girl from Spanx who went Yes, yes. When she went against the grain completely to get Spanx off the ground. And I feel like a lot of entrepreneurship comes from stories like that, where you're going against the grain slightly, you're bending the rules slightly, but you're not breaking the law.

[00:33:00] And that's where really cool opportunities come from. So, to answer your question, transitioning from this kind of business or basketball to being an entrepreneur, it involves having like a breakdown to a breakthrough. And when I say that, I say that in every sense of the word. You need like three people that you can call during these times when you're going through a tough breakdown in order to break through to the next level.

So how did that breakdown look for you? Oh, take us there. The breakdown looks, I mean, the first thing is I'm a really ugly crier. So that that's, that's, that's what it looks like. Yeah. It looks like a a really, I mean, you might, you would probably laugh seeing me cry 'cause it's almost like a, a half cry, half laugh.

It's very odd. Um, but I, I really want people to hear this. The reason is because [00:34:00] we often think we're the only ones. Yeah. And we go through this place where we feel like we're broken. Mm. There's, there's nothing left. Well, I've got nothing left to give. I'm just here. I'm by myself. Yeah. So many people think they're like that, and so what am I going to do?

There is no hope anymore. Yeah. Or I can see, I would like to be there, but I have no idea how. Yeah. So I wanna know from somebody who's been there and come back and hit the top. Yes. What it's really like for people. Okay, so the first one is always the hardest, and it is a, a mix of emotions of I'm not good enough.

Why did I think I could even do this? Who am I to go for this? And everyone's going to judge me, so do not even try. Don't even put yourself out there. Don't go for that new job. Don't do that side hustle that you've dreamt of because you're gonna just get embarrassed. You're gonna [00:35:00] fail and everybody's gonna laugh at you.

And that's the first layer. And there's so many other layers to that. But that feeling right there is. The one that stops most of us, and that's the one that really, if we can get over that first layer, things can start rolling. And so when you say get over it, how do you, how do you get over it? Oh, I was about to an Yeah, good.

Mine. Mine's pretty easy, but, uh, there's, there's so many different ways to do it. But for people like ourselves that, again, doing a quick epigenetics on us, like movement is important to both of us. Connection is important to both of us. Um, you also strike me as somebody who needs to know the, the science behind it and know why you're doing it.

You know, that's gonna help you do it. So whatever kind of, uh, personality you are is gonna be dependent on what you do in this situation. But for myself at the very base level, it's to get over [00:36:00] that initial hump is to move. Get out of your head and get, go for a jog, go e even if it's go for a walk, get outside and you'll automatic get some sunlight.

So there's there, there the basics. I'm gonna start you on the basics. It's waking up, getting some sun on you for 20 minutes. Like the impact of getting sunlight and vitamin D. It's huge and we just don't use it. So it's like get out, pull back the blinds, even if you're not getting out, pull back the blinds.

That's where I start my clients, pull back the blinds and and get some vitamin D. And then the next thing from that is getting some water and staying hydrated. A lot of us, when we're in a downward spiral, forget the basics. And I know it sounds basic, but. Are you drinking enough water? Are you having two liters a day?

Probably not. If you're feeling like I felt and crying all the time, and you're exhausting all your, all your water anyways, it's going on the floor. So you need more water from these, these moments and [00:37:00] then get outside and go for a walk, go, go and move. And from that first one you will be able to get back up faster.

So it is about failing and getting up faster each time. Getting up faster each time it gets easier, but we, it doesn't feel like that in the moment sometimes when you're at that point, yes. You are literally at a place where you, the, the floor is above you. Yeah. And it just feels like you're in coma and you dunno, how can I, like literally getting outside is so hard.

Is so hard. When, when you went through this sort of phase Yeah. Were you. Bawling on your bed? Were you trying to get something happening? What was happening with you? Ooh. All right. Going really deep. And you said we would, the real stuff. Oh, I love it. Uh, let me go back into it. Um, it involved [00:38:00] probably similar emotions to our listeners that it is hard to get outta bed.

Your energy levels are really low, and the hardest thing is getting outta bed and it is, yeah. Crying on your bed or even when you go out, wanting to just go back into the room, close the door and not, and escape, um, reality. And the, what were you feeling at that time? Were you feeling hopeless? Were you feeling like, I can do this, but I just don't have the energy right now?

Mm. Where was your mind? It was definitely feeling hopelessness. And it wasn't just feeling, I don't have the energy right now, it was feeling like I'm never gonna have the energy. Mm-hmm. So it's, uh, it's in a darkness where you, you don't believe that you can continue. That's, that's the feeling of it. It's feeling like you are not able to escape your own [00:39:00] thoughts and your own thoughts are keeping you paralyzed.

Hmm. Uh, and so I gave you kind of the biohacks, but what really helped me was calling someone that I know love, trust. And to no surprise it was my mom That can, that helps when your mom does that for a profe, her profession. But it doesn't have to be somebody with any life skills or experience in coaching or psychology to help.

It's just speaking to someone that you can say, I'm not, I'm not at a, in a good place right now. And sometimes it does take them coming over and opening up the wines for you to get you started. But there is a momentum and it is a snowball effect. And it does get easier and it does get better. And I can tell you once going through it the first time, it just gets easier and easier and you start to know your own human biology so well.

And now when I can feel myself even slightly [00:40:00] trickling back into the emotional state I just described, I'm right away catching it. So now it's about catching. So you don't go as far down anymore. No. You catch it before you get there. Yep. And I mean, uh, being a woman and, and diving deep into, and it's a very hot topic right now, but it, it needs to be spoken about perimenopause and menopause.

It's also knowing it's okay. My hormones are trying to adjust to my body right now. And that's a huge emotional shift for everyone. Are you gonna get brain fog? Are you gonna get night sweats? Are you gonna get irate? Because Kingsley didn't turn on the air conditioning before we came into this. No, I'm kidding.

He did. So we're good. But you know, if he didn't, I could be sitting here getting really hot and, and flustered and it wouldn't have been your fault, but I would've felt that anger because my hormones are going nuts in my body and I'm trying to get used to what I'm, uh, developing into as a woman. So there's also this like [00:41:00] beautiful science behind it that if we have an understanding of that, then we can also go into giving ourselves empathy.

And that's a big, letting our, letting our partner know. And letting our kids know what we're going through. Like, sorry, mom's going through this. If I get a bit more aggressive right now, that's why. And I don't mean to lash out at you, um, dealing with a lot of different hormones in my body, and you could use pictures, you could dumb that right down.

I know I'm speaking, um, very eloquently today on the podcast, but it's important to let people know around you what you're going through so that they know it's not you always speaking that way. ILI love what you've just said, um, and where you've gone. And I know, and I know that's probably pretty hard for you because you are a positive ball of energy.

Anyone who knows you knows that's who you are. Yes. Yeah. Um, so for you to go down in that place I know is where you don't, it's, [00:42:00] that's not normal for you. No, no. But yeah, I've been there. But e exactly. And I, I really appreciate you doing that because Thank you. It shows other people that. What reality is for life for everybody, literally.

Yes. And I think what you said earlier is to normalizing some of these things. 'cause I know growing up you just didn't talk about any of this stuff. Yeah. You don't go there, you don't talk about it, you don't mention it, it doesn't exist. La la la. Almost that sort of thing happens Yeah. Growing up. And it, it's good that we're starting to, Hey, that's part of life.

Yeah. That's what happens in life in different periods of time, at different ages, whatever it is. Understanding it. 'cause I think if we, we know that it, it's real. Mm. Get a bit of understanding and then go, okay, that's what happens. What do we do? How do we work with this the best way we possibly can? Yeah.

And then we can go into solution oriented mode. Yeah. And exactly. It can start to shift. Yeah. And not pretending that [00:43:00] it's, it's not there. Yeah. And that, I think from today, one of the biggest things I want people to get, I think is the fact that yeah, wherever you are. Whatever's going on. It's real. Yes, it's real.

You're not the only person. Yep. There are a lot of other people going through this In saying that. There's biohacks, there's breathing, there's all sorts of different things that we can use. And phone a friend. Yeah. Or a mom or whoever it is. Yes. Yeah. To actually help get through there. Don't get stuck there.

Yeah. And it is about not getting stuck there. Use, using the Mel Robbins five second rule. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Push yourself outta bed. I and you, you mentioned this earlier, try everything not, it's not a one shoe fits all approach here. I don't claim to only use one of these different wellness techniques or biohacks.

I use them all depending on which situation I'm in personally. So [00:44:00] it is, and I mean, I, I actually had the pleasure of speaking to Wim Hof on the weekend. Amazing guy that's really brought, brought coal plunging and ice bass to the surface of how important these, these new. They're not new. Old ways can be to awaken us, get us focused with our health and longevity.

A lot of the research now shows women shouldn't be doing ice baths unless the temperature is over 15 to 17 degrees. Whereas you could do something more at like the three to five degree level and utilizing that to shock the body. Get yourself going even if you don't have that ability. Have a cold shower.

Get yourself freshened up for the morning and, and start to look at how you can start moving the dial. Because what you do in private comes out in public, and if you are consistent, this is why the military does it so well. They get their guys and there's so much research [00:45:00] around making your bed in the morning.

They get the guys up to make their bed. Like they do one thing, they do everything. Mm-hmm. If they're doing their bed completely neat, they always say, well, even if you have the worst day on the planet, you come home to a nice made bed and that does make you feel good. It does. It's fresh sheets, it's, you know, all of those little, little one percenters I like to say are what move the dial.

And they're not discussed enough. We kind of stay in one lane and everyone has their niche. And that's what I'm really passionate about now, is that it's, you know, I'm not just a physio, I'm not just a nutritionist. I look at the full big picture. Yeah. And that's where we're stepping into and it's wellness done well.

It's not just this like facade, like what is wellness right now? What's a wellness coach? No one really knows, there's no definition of a wellness coach, I'd like to say. It's somebody that looks at your mind, your body, your [00:46:00] soul, your source of unconditional love. Um, and, and what you're eating. It's, it's the whole package.

It's what your, what your blue zone epigenetics are made up of so that you can live your, your best life. So I think that it's an important that. We have these discussions about the little one percenters that can move the dial and get you out of the, the darkness. Absolutely. And it, and I think we, 'cause there's so much information coming at us from so many places now.

Yeah, absolutely. It becomes so complicated. Yeah. And, but it's like you said before, just start with some basics. Go for a walk in the sun. Make your bed. Yes. Drink some water. Yes. Start there. We can build on that. Yep. But just start there at least and then keep going. 'cause it's not hard to go for a walk in the morning.

No. For the most part. Yep. Um, it's not hard to drink water. Yeah. You know, it's, it's not hard to get Yep. Taps just there. Yeah. And then obviously. Fresher water is better. Yes. But [00:47:00] just get some Yes. Something, yeah, hydrate. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. We love great water, but whatev, whichever water you're having, hydration is good.

And then you just, um, made me think of what I did in my morning walk today, which was I went and got a coffee and they did a, a really interesting study about, and we were only able to do it during COVID because in all of these different facilities and, and, and care centers that the older adults were not able to leave and have that connection point of getting a coffee in the morning and say, saying hello to their, their, um, their coffee girl or guy.

And what they did still have was connection with their family. So they were able to still have a, a zoom or a, a FaceTime. Once a month, once a week with their family. And what they found was the connection point of having that every day was far more powerful in those two months, those three months than having a family phone call once a week.

Wow. [00:48:00] That to Alzheimer's to mention all these other issues that we have with our, our brain function that can be highly connected, um, with our neural pathways of connection with people. Mm-hmm. We already know if you leave someone in a room for long enough without anybody, then they just, their brain starts to degrade.

Just, you know, quietly. It just happens. It's unfortunate, but to, to put it into perspective that if they have a connection with the coffee guy down the street, that that's gonna help them, uh, you know, decrease the likelihood of Alzheimer's and dementia. It's amazing, isn't it? Just blows my mind. So it's, it's um, all those little things.

And to add to that, uh, it's so important. You can't lie to yourself. So if you're going to say you're going to do it, you need to stay disciplined to yourself. Hmm. And a lot of people stay disciplined to us as their coaches. And I'll say, well, did you do [00:49:00] the shopping and did you get the meal preps ready?

Oh no, I didn't do that part. 'cause, but they came and they showed up at the gym. They did all the other elements that I asked them to do that week. But it's what you're doing when we're not looking. Yeah. Yeah. So what you're doing consistently showing up for yourself makes all the difference. And I think we forget that a lot of the time.

We're like, well, no one's noticing. So I can have a cheeky couple beers after work. It's not gonna be a big deal. But if you've promised yourself that you're not drinking for the month and you know you're, or, um, if you've promised yourself that you're going to move throughout the entire month of November, uh, do a three K walk, and you didn't show up for that, that's where things start to go into a landslide.

Mm. I remember doing 75 hard. Yes. And, um, you've got the, the app where you check things off. Yeah. But nobody would know. Yeah. If you did or you didn't. Yeah. 75 Heart's a great example. [00:50:00] I knew and I, when I did the second part of it, day six. Yeah. I missed something simple. I can't remember what it was. It was as simple as thing and I had to go and nobody would've had a clue.

Yes. It was something like, I, I didn't quite drink enough water or something like that. It was a basic thing. Yep. Where I was so close, but not quite there. Yeah. And I could have just kept going, ticked it off. Yep. But I knew, and that's the difference. Mm. Exactly what you're talking about now. And so did you chug the two liters of water at the end?

At the end of the day, I, I got through to, I think I got to the next morning or something and, and I'm like, oh no, I haven't done it. Yeah. So I'm like, mm, no, I gotta start again. Gotta go back. Yeah. Good for you. It was so annoying though. Yeah. To do that. That is the, that's why it's 75 hard. It is, it is. It's consistency and I think that's what we're talking about today.

Yeah, absolutely. Is that, so tell us a little bit now, 'cause we gotta. [00:51:00] Unfortunately we do have to finish. Yes. This time's gone so fast. Absolutely. And I blame you for that. Absolutely. Yeah. I'll end you for the great questions in the awesome podcast. Um, tell us, tell people a little bit about where you are, what you're getting into more and more now.

'cause it's very exciting where you're going, who you're working with, not just who you're working with, but how you're actually really helping them in such an important way. Yes. Oh, I love that. Thank you. Um, what, where I really love to focus is the hardest of hard. And one of the industries I work in is the highest suicide rate.

So it's, it's with men in Australia and that their age of 25 to 45 in blue collar, uh, industries. And that work 12 hour shifts, whe whether that's a night shift or a day shift, uh, are just barely getting by and have no time for themselves. And this is where, you know, being a wellness coach is really challenging because if these guys, one, they have no [00:52:00] energy when they get off shift mm-hmm.

The last thing they wanna do is come into a gym or do some movement or eat healthy, even for that matter, they just wanna go home, relax, and have a beer because they've worked hard. Mm-hmm. And that's our culture. It's, it's ingrained in us. You know, you've done well, now reward yourself with some, something that's not very good for you.

It's just an an unfortunate way that we like to balance. Yeah. It does relax us though. But so does movement. So does eating right. All of those things relaxes as well. So it's it, I'm in this process of shifting a culture, actually, which is really exciting. That's huge. And I work, uh, in corporate wellness and, and in, uh, health and longevity with the entertainment and Olympic athletes.

I'll get into those guys, but they're the easier ones. These guys over here, um, I've got gyms and facilities across Australia and New Zealand, and we work on their, their mindset of getting themselves to really putting [00:53:00] themselves first. And we're dealing in the new psychosocial hazard laws that have just been passed in Australia, uh, in August last year.

And we work at, um, looking at how companies can ensure that these psychosocial hazard laws don't come into play because now. Not only are they something that, uh, a staff member can look at and say, I'm getting bullied in the workplace. I'm, I'm not getting enough breaks in the workplace. I'm getting overloaded in the workplace.

The list goes on of the different mental issues or psychosocial hazards that. One can claim against their employer. Now there's, there's government legislation around this, and we can now actually, beyond just putting in something into the government, we can actually go on to, to sue our employer for psychosocial hazards in the workplace.

So now we're in this beautiful area of where we're able to [00:54:00] do surveys, understand what these lower level and middle management are feeling. Mm-hmm. Not just what the CEOs and, and our top tier management are feeling and work our way back so that everybody's getting heard and that there's a sequence. And there's not just an EAP line, which no one uses if, if you don't know what an EAP line is, it's an emergency line that you would call if you thought you were going to commit suicide or had a true family emergency.

It takes sometimes a week to get an appointment if you're lucky. Usually it's a month and. At that time, you've already, I'm in preventative health, so you've already gone past the point of no return that you are needing to reach out at, at that desperate state. Mm-hmm. So we're really trying to catch things early and have a process and a strategy in place that we can have people checking in on people in the workplace.

And I, I've recently done a, a podcast on this and a lot of people comment, why don't [00:55:00] you, uh, eat or drink a cup of co uh, concrete for breakfast? That's the comments that I get on this, and I totally get it. You know, you, there's banter in the workplace. We've been, uh, throwing around comments all day, and we will continue to do so Kingsley and I after this podcast, but there is a certain breaking point that each person has.

Mm-hmm. That needs to be heard. And what's really interesting is to see these psychosocial hazards are now overtaking, and I'm not se selling myself as a a, a physio in the fitness realm, any injuries at work. So any health and safety injuries are now being surpassed by mental health injuries. And we all kind of saw that coming.

But it's a very unique space to be playing in. And the other play, the other area I play in, which is the sexier one, is the, uh, entertainment industry and, and working with elite athletes, which I've been my whole life. So that's an easy transition for me. [00:56:00] Working with clients on when their cycles are. So we actually have, uh, females training around their cycles for the first time ever on our Australian Olympic team, I'm, I'm working with them on grounding.

So I have PEMF and infrared mats that they're going and actually grounding themselves on. We're using, uh, as mentioned, hot and cold therapy compression, but compression done differently where they actually open up their lymphatic system before just slapping on a set of, uh, norm tech compression boots where you're ensuring that your lymphatic system is primed so it actually can get rid of the toxins out of the body.

So it's kind of, uh, a one, all the one percenters that I've done in my career previously are now being brought to the most elite level with the best technology, and we're helping them overcome. Strains when it comes to physical, but also mental barriers and taking themselves to a new level. So both those areas [00:57:00] are really exciting.

Me. That's so cool because I, I interviewed, uh, Ben, I can't remember his name off the top of my head, but he works in the, the industry around mental health in the film industry. Yes. And the amount of this that goes on is absolutely incredible. So what you are doing is so needed an incredible guy and he's really fighting an uphill battle himself to make this happen.

The good thing is Gold Coast Council actually is very supportive of what he's doing. Yeah, fantastic. It's a phenomenal thing that, so, it's so good you're there doing it. 'cause a lot of people look from the outside or you are in the entertainment industry, or you are this, or you are that have no idea what goes on in the inside of it.

And it, it started for me in in stunting and in film. Yeah. Right. And that's where I saw this not happening. Yeah, yeah. At all. There was no recovery on, on Elvis. Austin Butler would go up on stage and do 12 to 15 hours a day. Literally, you know, you've probably seen it in, in [00:58:00] the Vegas scene and then there's no recovery afterwards.

Goes to sleep, gets up the next day and does it all over again. And Baz luhrmann's the same. He's just on fire every single day. And for his age, I'm telling you, he's a pinnacle of healthy aging, that guy. Um, and such a pleasure to work with. But all of these guys had no recovery, had no release. And there was no, uh, blue, like no trailer for any massage, any chiro, and all of the things that I now have trailers for in the film industry.

Yeah. So yeah, it is a slow turn of the tides and we're in the tumen industry, you know, swapping out cocaine for ice baths. And that's a, a common one that I say, 'cause Andrew Huberman has brought that to the forefront. So I have no, uh, no judgment now that I'm saying it, it's like that's out there. It does the same thing to the brain.

Yeah. Whether you judge these guys or not, they're doing it. [00:59:00] So you might as well go in with an open mind, and you might as well look at what they're going through to understand why they are and what I just told you. Yeah. Oh, well, you know, can you judge them if they need that in the morning? A cup of coffee does not keep you going for 14 hours looking like Elvis.

You need more than that. You know, or dancing like Elvis, I should say. He looked like he looked like him easy, but he, you know, it took him two years during COVID to start dancing and moving like him, and then to uphold that level of energy all day. Yeah. It's, it's huge. You need some different ways to do it.

Yeah. And, and, and it takes someone like you that's been in there to really understand it. True. Yes. Most of us aren't gonna understand. We can look from the outside and go, oh yeah, but that might be hard. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But you need someone that's in there to really understand what's going on, the mind, the body, the emotions, the pressure, all that sort of thing.

I mean, the easiest way is imagine your workplace where there's no breaks and construction sites are similar every second costs thousands. Mm-hmm. So you just, you can't go down and no [01:00:00] one can go down. If a crane goes down, it could be tens of thousands for that day. Right. Same thing on a movie set. Yeah, it's huge.

Um, now as we finish Yes. I, I love to ask a final question. Okay. All of them have been amazing. I'm looking forward to it. Good. I'm glad. How can people create the life they want and leave a legacy they're proud of? Ooh, I love this. Final question. I, I believe, I mean, I think it's a two part answer. Mm-hmm.

The, the first one, creating a, a life that they want comes back to doing what you truly love and not being afraid to go for it. And having the courage to dig deep. And I say that dig deep because I mean, we're all about working smarter, not harder, and I get that, but. The people I just mentioned, all of them have worked really hard at one point to get to where they are.[01:01:00]

And I don't mean meet many people that have not gone through adversity to get to where they are. So I think there is that, even if you have to do it at night, at, you know, 10 o'clock at night after your kids have gone to bed and stay up to midnight, and you have to do that for the next three to six months to get your, your Instagram page out there with the different styles of cake toppers that you really wanna bring to Amazon.

Do it because you only get one life and time is very short. It it, you know, as I, as we know, it keeps going faster as we get older. So understanding that this is your wake up call to just do it. Yeah. Right now, if you're listening, um, my, what I always like to say is three words. Do it now. Have that written on the fridge for everybody to see.

So you actually go out and do it now. And then the second part of leaving the legacy, that really comes into, once you've done the thing, so [01:02:00] you're doing the thing. Um, for myself, I had to find what really made me angry. Uh, it's really interesting. I had a coach that said, you know, if you don't understand what you're passionate about, think of something that really makes you angry and fight against that.

And, um, for me it was child sex trafficking and getting children out of sex trafficking and, uh, supporting a charity called Destiny Rescue and raising money at any event that I I have now to get children out. Mm-hmm. And it's, once you're in that zone, that legacy starts to build itself. Yeah. It's not even, you don't even need to think about it.

It's there. You put your head on the pillow each night. Um, we just hosted an event where we got eight kids out of sex trafficking. Wow. And if. You know, I do nothing else for the rest of my life. I did that event that did that thing and that legacy will carry on and those kids will, [01:03:00] um, you know, carry on to do great things.

And it, you know, it, it keeps me satisfied. I love that. And I love the way you've, you've viewed it and, and, um, put the perspective on that. Mm. Because it's easy to go. Eight kids rescued. Yeah. That's good. But there are eight lives. Mm-hmm. Eight people who have mother, father, probably siblings, eight people who have a passion mm-hmm.

Who have desires, who have emotions, who have feelings. Mm. Who have

all of the things that we often take for granted. Yes. That they want, but they can't do. But you've just completely changed eight plus people, not just them, but to them. Do they have kids? Does that, how far does that go? Yeah, we'll never know in their lineage and Yeah. Everything, yes. I love the perspective you put on that.

Thank you. Thanks for painting that picture. It's like the, I've just got full body goosebumps and I'm, I'm not [01:04:00] a huge crier in public, but if I was, this is like the most emotional state, right? Like, when you can really feel into that, you're really proud of something that you've done. So thank you Kingsley.

Megan, thank you so much. I love what you've given people and just such practicality and of what to do. Like you've been to the lowest place where getting outta bed, that in itself is, is quite an accomplishment. Yes. And you've been to, you're doing some incredible stuff with people from all walks of life at the moment.

Yeah. Thank you for coming and sharing your story and how you are living your passion. Mm. Um, and you've created your, your life, your business is all around doing that and helping other people. That's what this podcast is all about. Woo. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thanks Kingsley. Thanks for having me on.

It's been a blast. It has. Thanks, Megan. Thank you.